Note: This plot contains spoilers Our last one Season 2 Episode 6.

Pedro Pascal returns to HBO Our last one In the flashback plot, emotionally filled with emotional walls, filling several gaps in the turbulent relationship between Joel and Ellie (Bella Ramsey). Starting from Joel's abused childhood, followed by a series of sequences, during Ellie's birthday (when the duo settled in Jackson), and showing what happened on the porch the night before Joel's murder.

These scenes poured various complex lighting into previous events, but perhaps the easiest way they reminded the audience of Joel’s extraordinary level of care for Ellie – a sign that the two have begun along Kaitlyn Dever’s path of reconciliation, which changed their fate forever.

Below, Neil Druckmann - Co-written PlayStation Game Our final second part And serve as a performer Our last onedirecting the plot of this week - discussing some hours of critical moments and tangling with moral and emotional shock.

This may be one of the rare plots on TV, where people cry repeatedly throughout the hour, not just a pivotal moment.

OK, I'm glad it works for you. Just to see Pedro and Bella again; to see the happiest person they have ever seen, perhaps the saddest person they have with each other, and the anger they have ever seen. It’s a pleasure to explore all these nuances along the way.

I am proud of the results and I am really nervous. In particular, this porch scene means a lot to myself, to my co-writers, Craig (Mazin) and Haley (Gross), and everyone who works in games and shows. But specifically, when I was working on this episode, I had two people in my mind, Ashley Johnson and Troy Baker, who initially played these roles in the game. They have such a great show for very similar scenes, and I want to honor what they did because they helped create these characters.

I just re-watched the game version of the scene (watch it below). For this, I was especially caught by Ellie as having been thinking about the question that Joel had been thinking for so long, and just the choice to keep Joel silent and nod.

In the game, Ellie asks these questions at another point. Here we take a few flashback scenes and pour them into the scene on the porch. So, Ellie has to understand what Joel does, get angry with him, and then move towards forgiveness-all in one scene. I thought Bella was doing well. I can't imagine how difficult that would be.

I remember the day I took Pedro and Bella aside and mentioned the importance of the scene and how powerful it is and how important it is to their characters. Specifically, “This is your last conversation with each other.

If you watch Bella's Ellie this season, then she's wearing a mask in the game more important than Ashley's Ellie. Here, the mask is completely closed. Now, Joel knew she knew that the last gift he could give her was to give her the truth. And since they are a “yes or no” question, it feels like he doesn’t even need to say it, he can only nod or shake his head.

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One thing that fascinated me this season is the structure, which obviously also from the game, you lose Joel and then there are these flashbacks, and everyone changes the way you think about their relationship and his death,,,,, Although they are more spaced apart.

Yes, let me talk to you about our thinking process. You are right, in the game, these scenes are separated, sometimes for hours. If we allocate these scenes throughout the season and plant them, I believe they won't land forcefully because they are short moments and work better when they are next to each other, you can see the comparison - like their relationship is slowly getting worse. If we put one in an episode and then you have to wait a week to see the next one, then you have to remember what the last one is and then wait another week. I think the show will start to feel like a template - "What is Joel's flashback this week?"

Again, it is important that Miss Joel is important, like the character. So we will kill him early this season and we decided not to cause it to him until after the season ends. Then, where it should land becomes a question. After Ellie had just committed the darkest, most violent act she had committed in her life, the landing was appropriate - torture an unarmed woman in an attempt to get information about where Joel's killer was hidden. Compare “Look at how far this character has gone.” In that scene, they are almost unrecognizable. This is our reminder of who they are and the person they fight for - a memory of this person.

This makes a lot of sense. I do wonder if there is a part of you who would be tempted to put the porch moment into the series finale and also wonder if there is a pragmatic issue with no lawyer signed outside of season 2.

No, but suppose we can shoot and hold it and show it later. Craig brought this up and I bought it right away: He (pointed) when you buy the game, you have the whole story. You can play for the whole thing in two days. We have to consider that this story is delivered weekly by season, weekly and day by week, and there are more stories that may be launched in a few years. If he sticks, the porch scene won't land.

As I looked at the scene on the porch, one of the comments reads: "Ellie's revenge is not just about killing those who took Joel from her, but about revenge on them because they seized her opportunity to forgive him." This is true, do you think?

I agree with this explanation because we can see that Joel Harf Ellie is probably the worst way to do it - by taking the choice away from her in memory of the people who died on her journey to the fireflies. Ellie was so angry when she said, "I don't know if I can forgive you, but I want to try it." She wanted to move towards this forgiveness because I think she understood--even though Joel hurt her, his motivation was unconditional love, and she shared unconditional love for him. Now she will never get the chance.

Strangely, I had to watch the simple reaction on the scene was gratifying - "Oh, when he passed away, they weren't that bad in a place, in a romantic relationship." Somewhat strange was reassuring.

It was bittersweet because he was finally honest with her and they admitted their love to each other in that scene, but when we saw them in that happiest place in the space museum, they never returned to them again.

Speaking of which, the Rocket Ship scene is one of my favorite cutscenes in the game. What does that scene mean to you?

I always like Ellie being fascinated by our world, and things we take for granted are like her fantasies about her. By the way, Allie's qualities come from Ashley Johnson. She likes the idea of ​​wanting to be an astronaut. So, I wrote, to make Ellie more like her, now it's been through another actor to reinterpret it. To me, it illustrates how kids use only their imagination and pictures elsewhere. Ellie wants something she can never have in this world, and Joel gives it to her.

Joel is so In this episode, this is the greatest Apocalypse dad in the world, which also bothers me with Ellie – for example, “How can you appreciate this man more than this man?” Even though I also know she is at the age when you naturally leave your parents, you will find out why if there is nothing right to be angry. And, obviously, he is not perfect.

My parents told me that there were only a few big lies that I was able to forgive and pass until now in my forties because I saw their motivations in the right place. Now, as my own father, I feel this way: "I know how to raise children better than parents. I'm always going to be completely honest." I used to have a moment also When my daughter was too young, it was about violence and darkness, and she was suffering from it. It illustrates the complexity of being a parent and how difficult it is - even if you do the right thing, you can cause your child to hate you. That's the choice of work.