Spoiler Alert: The story contains spoilers for "Our Last Man", Season 2, Episode 3, and is now streaming on Max.

If Season 2, Season 2, Season 2, deals a tragic blow to the audience and Jackson's survivors, then Episode 3 is where everyone can breathe collectively and start piece together the consequences of Joel's murder and what might happen next.

"There are some processing to do," said Gabriel Luna, who plays Joel's brother Tommy. "It's an interesting thing because the town still feels the destruction of what happened in Jackson and loses such an important element, not only the Jackson community, but our family. The true ancestors of all this disappeared."

Joel (Pedro Pascal) is dead and Tommy can handle his grief while Jackson recovers. And he knows that it won't go well with Ellie (Bella Ramsey) leaving the hospital and making her plan to avenge Joel.

One way Tommy tries to understand Ellie is to seek counselors from Gail, the town therapist. Their conversation made sense for Luna, who worked with Catherine O'Hara on another HBO project for the 2010 Temple Grandin. "We took this photo in the hair and makeup trailer, and I cherished it for so long. Then, I was able to reproduce this photo on this photo, which was really fun, and I even had our makeup artist Rebecca stand in the same position in this photo that we took in Austin, Texas 15 years ago," Luna said.

Luna talks to him type About the opening ceremony of making this episode at Jackson Morgue, how Tommy fulfilled her responsibilities with Ellie, and Tommy’s hope to get rid of her interactions with Gail.

The episode begins with Tommy going to see Joel's body. Tommy didn't break down, but you can tell he was in pain. Can you tell me about calibrating the correct emotional response for this scenario?

I remember chewing it that day. It was directed by Peter Hoar, who did the plot “for a long time” so I knew I was in good shape when it comes to the emotional quality of it all. I do know there is a couple with a complete breakdown, but I'm very happy with the constraints of our editor Timothy Good. There was a lot of anger out there, but Joel and Sarah had some comfort in the idea of ​​being with him, he was with my niece, he was with his daughter, whatever the value was. Losing him is a huge and huge loss.

When I was there at night, there was a different emotional reaction every time. Interestingly, what was finally selected in the edit. But I think yes, when I see the damage done, there is only a lot of anger out there.

Tommy's character has died a lot, and it's a bit of a resignation. I'm a little happy with what I've chosen. This is more of a resolute reaction because it loses your only blood on Earth. As we will see, what will lead to a determination. We filmed that, there were more conversations in that scene, and I’m glad they cut that down too, because what else do you need to say besides “Give Sarah my love”?

How does Pedro Pascal change after he left during production?

Well, he's a pretty actor and she has a very busy schedule, which is fun because we filmed all of this and we blocked the shots so something different happened earlier this season. So we know he will be back. It doesn't feel good forever.

But the moment I was filming the scene in the morgue, to Bella Ramsey’s administration, to Kaitlyn Dever’s administration, to myself and to those who will bring this story to it. Just to commemorate everything Pedro did, he did absolutely brilliant work on this show and made himself do a lot.

In the cut conversation, it's all about "Allie, she's hurt. She's really bad. She'll be fine. I'll take care of her." When I say these things, I remember, "Wow, it's a lot of moments in the story, like the production itself."

When Ellie left the hospital, what do you think Tommy handles Joel's death?

It's about his responsibility to the rest. (They) need him, they need him all, and part of him needs to let it go, because he is the one inside him. His spirit is one of life, moving forward, trying to find a way to survive, thrive, grow and be in this positive state of progress. If he persists, the only people who suffer will be his wife and son. And then all the others who depended on him. But, as we can see, when we enter the story, he is now in charge of Ellie, who is now in charge of him.

What does it feel like opposite Bella Ramsey?

Bella is my hero, they are the most beautiful, talented, and just one of the emotionally mature people I know. When you work at any given point, it's like, "I want to catch you there." They're always around me, grabbing me and everyone else around me. It's easy to love them. That's the relationship between Tommy and Ellie, which is one of love and pride, who they are and how strong they are. But if I don't try to manage and help them, their strength and ability will also lead them to their own destruction.

Although Tommy isn't necessarily tolerant of Ellie's plan to pursue the killer, he still says he'll back up her proposal at City Hall. Why do you think that is?

He personally wants to implement justice himself. If the town chooses and passes the process and we decide that we need to do it, then he has a reason to do it. So he absolutely voted for it, let's object to all his better judgments, against his wife's will, against - although I think Maria also voted YOS is - it's interesting. At this point, he was allowed to pursue these dark feelings because he knew he was capable of doing what he intended to do.

It was an interesting scene because initially my son Ezra was there to feed chickens and I was very hesitant about it. But he got sick that day, like he literally shot, Linda Blair, green vomit. So he is not in this scene, so it will change. The whole scene, I was playing, I was watching my son feed these chickens, and that's the only reason it would keep me there. It's difficult, and I think a little intent is lost just because of the events and how the events played that day and how we have to shoot. But when I talk to Ellie, I was like “of course” and in these words, the subtext of “of course,” is: “I love you, you are mine, and I’m going to do what I need for you and us and get the solutions we need.”

How did the conversation with Gail on the baseball field affect Tommy's understanding of Ellie after City Hall?

This is mainly about predicting the storm, like what would she do? What will Ellie do? She is always described by ("our last" co-creator) Craig (Mazin) and everyone around us as a force of nature. This is true for the characters, and it does for performer Bella Ramsey. Now she just wants to understand that now she has woken up from this coma, now the real process and the real management and the act of father participation and responsibility begin, now trying to figure out this: how far she will take, can she be saved? Can I stay here with us? I am just seeking some reason to deny her, deny the revenge she seeks and the justice she seeks, and likewise deny myself.

The desire we share must be correct to us personally. Discussion, about Ellie as much as Tommy. Like, are there some external perspectives that align with our pursuits?

Gail has his own experience with my family, Joel, and what happened. It was really fun because Tommy definitely never went to therapy, and it was his first meeting, where (he) sat outside and watched the kids land on the baseball field. Personally, as an actor, it was one of the great gifts to work with Catherine O'Hara and have that scene.

This interview has been edited and condensed.