(This story contains spoilers Our last one Season 2, Episode 7. )

Our last one Season 2 ends with gunfire and a mysterious title card: "Seattle Day 1."

What does this mean? Hollywood Reporter First talked with co-creator Craig Mazin, who also raised some questions at the finale press conference to solve several burning issues.

Of course, the first question is whether Ellie (Bella Ramsey) dies from Abby (Katelyn Dever) shooting her Wasted! ”).

If you don't want to know the answer, please skip the rest of this paragraph. Majin said firmly that we have not seen Ellie's last one. Additionally, the show is very faithful in adapting to its original material (PlayStation Games) Our last one and Our final second part. In the game, Ellie survives the game against Abby and plays a major role in the rest of the story.

As for the ending that shows Abby elicited from the title card that sleeps and “Day One Seattle,” this may mark another shift in the narrative focus of the show. While the creators refused to confirm this explicitly in the interview, just as the show’s perspectives changed from Joel (Pedro Pascal) to Ellie, season three may shift again to tell Abby’s story – assuming the show follows the tracks laid out by the game. It’s not only a clever narrative device, but it’s part of the show’s theme.

"I don't think TV should work like this." "We obviously broke a lot of rules, and I like it. I like it because This is the point. This is not what we do as mm heads. The point of this story - from many different perspectives, this is the whole concept of the protagonist is flawed. The whole concept of villain is flawed. The way we process the world through heroes and villains is a mistake. It ultimately creates these obstacles among people who shouldn't exist. It ultimately gives us reasons and convenience for bad behavior, ultimately allowing us to judge others fairly because we don’t know much about the motivation behind it. We know this is a challenging thing to follow emotionally. We understand that people will be irritated. But part of this story is to look at why we are so comfortable following one’s perspective on everything. ”

“Abby is the hero of her story,” Majin added later. "Where we're going next, we're always centered on someone, whether it's Ellie and Dina, or Abby and Irving... (but) it's all in Joel's cloud or sunshine- what Joel did to Abby, what Abby did to Joel.'"

The ending also sees the death of Young Mazino, who was shot dead by Abby. "It's an interesting situation because Jesse died from Ellie, but Ellie didn't pull the trigger - Abby did," Mazin said. "And we know that Dina has a good relationship with Joel, and she pursues Abby out of a sense of justice. So now the question is: Who is she blaming (because of Jesse's death)? Jesse's death will change things for her."

Another important moment - a very different moment from the game is the traumatic death of Abby's pregnant friend Ariela Barer.

“In the game, Ellie fought Spencer Lord and then fought Mel, and it was only after Mel’s death that the coat was opened and Ellie realized she was pregnant,” Massin said. "But, for that, Ellie doesn't really have the ability to kill Irving - you look at Bella, you look at Spencer Lord, he's 6'4" and it's just incredibly tough. The physical struggle can't go badly, she's not there, she just wants to kill them.

Continuing Mazin: "It's not about being a torture, but about reflecting reality, Mel is a doctor, and at that moment she died because she died and had a chance to save her children. This is deeply rooted in our theme. Don't understand what they mean because they run out of oxygen, Bella sits down to understand her failure, and what's even more heartbreaking is that her failure is not over yet."

We also ask Mazin if Ellie had an overwhelming experience with Mel - if Ellie fell on her rather than the other way around, would still kill Abby. "I say no doubt," Majin said. “It’s not even about whether she has her, it’s about her No In her - it is any ability to limit one's pursuit. I think Ellie would crouch down next to Abby and be very similar to what Abby gave to Joel. ”

As for ending on a cliff, Majin said they did consider other ways to end the season.

“We thought about everything,” Majin said. "Maybe we should interweave the (Ellie and Abby's) story? I just remember to say, 'Isn't this story working part of (switching perspective)?" It's just part of genetics.

Another key question: Will Joel appear in season 3? Mazin sounds like a potential flashback side trip from Joel and Tommy (Gabriel Luna). “We may have more flexibility next season (telling the story next to us),” Mazin said. "Maybe it was a trip to Joel and Tommy that scared the countryside, we would never know. I wouldn't guess we would have a short story about Joel's father before writing this season." Then he said, "(Tommy) went to the war and we also knew that for some time he and Joel did something bad. So it's possible to see the other side of Tommy, now it's about the promise he understands to his brother."

The two also teased Season 3 - to some extent, they didn't want to give anything.

"We tell you that next season, everything that is about to happen has an epic nature," Druckman said. "But another story will be very important to support Joel and Ellie and everything we've seen so far."

Mazin added: "I can only say that we haven't seen the last one in Kaitlyn Dever, and we haven't seen the last one in Bella Ramsey, and we haven't seen the last one in Isabela Merced, and we haven't even seen many people who are currently dying in the story."