Google CEO testifies against the Justice Department's "Extraordinary" proposal: NPR

Sundar Pichai, CEO of Alphabet Inc., left federal court in Washington, DC, on Wednesday, April 30, 2025. Nathan Howard/Bloomberg by Getty Images Closed subtitles

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Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai testified in federal court on Wednesday that the Justice Department proposal would force Google to share its search data, including with its competitors, would be a "de facto divestiture" of the company's search engine, which has spent decades of investment and innovation to build.

He called the Justice Department's proposal "so far, it's so extraordinary" that the government appears to be demanding the company's core intellectual property. He said it is unclear how Google gives away its work at marginal cost to fund innovation.

Pichai, 52, spoke to the court in a witness box, dressed neatly and dark suit Remedial measures trial This will determine what penalties U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta will impose on nearly $2 trillion of companies. About a year ago, Mehta ruled that Google had Illegal action to maintain monopoly In the search engine market.

When the Justice Department filed the original case in 2020, it targeted Google's contracts with device manufacturers such as Apple and Samsung, making the company's search engine the default value on new phones. The Justice Department argued that this unfair competitor was asked by Mehta to rule that Google must stop paying for exclusive default locations.

The government also wants Google Rotate its chrome browserthe world's most popular browsers power the advertising business of technology companies by collecting data from user activity from Chrome and Google Search. The Justice Department believes that separation will create more competition in the online search market.

There is also a stage of trial Focus on Google's artificial intelligence productsjust like its Gemini chatbot. Ministry of Justice debate Google has created a system where its control over search provides an advantage for its AI products, which brings more users back to Google Search. They believe it is a cycle that maintains the dominance of tech companies and prevents competitors from leaving the two markets. To break it, they think Google should be ordered to license its search data (such as user search terms and results) to other companies.

The Justice Department concluded the case Tuesday afternoon, and Google is now providing evidence and calling experts and witnesses to testify, including more executives from Google, Mozilla and Apple. Google insists that it will appeal the basic ruling of MEHTA once the trial’s fine phase is over.

Pichai joined Google in 2004, and before the company played top performances, he held many roles at the company, including overseeing Chrome.

The subject of his testimony is not surprising, as the tech giant has long believed that the Justice Department proposed remedies are both dangerous and "unprecedented" and that they can harm U.S. consumers, economics and technological innovation. Its focus is how Google sees AI development and how it innovates technology.

"Artificial intelligence is one of the most profound technologies ever," Pixi said. He testified that Google spent about $49 billion on AI research and development, which is considered one of the spending of two or three companies in the world in this area.

When Pichai took the helm of Google's parent Alphabet, he directed the company to become "AI First" and invest deeply in the technology, they think people are not only looking for information on the internet, but also looking to get things done. He said artificial intelligence can do it.

He said the company integrates AI into many products, but first weaves the technology into Google's search engine, resulting in a significant improvement in search quality.

Mehta asks Pichai how he sees AI breaking searches in just a few years. Pichai replied that AI “will change in depth” Google search, its development will be very profound.

When many newly developed chatbots reach thousands of users a day, Pichai calls it a "dynamic moment." Pichai said Google believes its AI chatbot Gemini is the main model of the industry, but there is still a "big gap" between them, and what he considers a market leader: OPIC's AAIGS Chandra Chat.

In court, Google's lawyers had previously believed that Chatgpt and Meta's Metaai chatbots surpassed Gemini's popularity, proving that Google does not dominate this market.

Pixi said there is a lot of competition in this field and ultimately “the best products will win the market.”

The Justice Department has previously called Openai’s Chatgpt product head Nick Turley to demonstrate why they are worried that Google’s monopoly on search could eventually spread to the AI ​​market. Turley testified that the company hopes to access Google's search index and data to improve its technology. Google's search index is basically a giant database of pages and information on the Internet. When a query is typed into Google's search engine, it scans this database to return to the link to the web page.

But AI developers can also use such databases to train large language models, such as chatbots, so that they can generate human-like responses and have conversations.

Turley testified that Openai tried to develop its own search index after Chatgpt became a viral hotspot, but that was too expensive and time-consuming. Instead, they seek partnerships with third-party providers, he said - Google turned them down.

Google's lawyers are expected to call witnesses before the end of next week and end the argument by the end of May. Mehta is expected to make a decision in August.

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