John Bolton said two roles of Marco Rubio reduced Trump's control.

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio left after high-level negotiations on Ukraine and its security at the French Foreign Ministry in Paris on Thursday, April 17.

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Since Henry Kissinger in the 1970s, the same person will serve as both Secretary of State and National Security Advisor.

Mike Waltz, who announced the position, was nominated for Mike Waltz, who represented the United States at the United Nations, and Marco Rubio was hired as interim national security adviser.

This was added accidentally in the waltz AtlanticEditor-in-chief's group chat editor, which shared sensitive information about the March strike against Hotis, Yemen. Vice President Vance Denied that the move was “fire”.

Prior to Rubio, Henry Kissinger led the State Department and the National Security Council within two years of presidency of Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. Kissinger Has great influence In the era of global politics shaping the post-World War.

If President Trump thinks the move can give him more control, he is “wrong”, his former national security adviser John Bolton told Morning version. Bolton continued that the move could actually be a “reducing” control over the State Department and various national security agencies.

Although it puts Rubio in a good position, Bolton said it was not easy.

“There is inevitably some overlap between these jobs. But they are fundamentally so different that I think … no one can really deal with them, especially given the threats and challenges we face in today's world,” Bolton said, who said he was not going to criticize Rubio.

Bolton, who also served as the United Nations ambassador during the administration of George W. Bush, talked with NPR's Michel Martin about why Trump might make the change and how it affects the decisions of the White House.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

Highlights of the interview

Michelle Martin: So, for those who don’t keep up with this kind of thing, what is the core responsibility of each job?

John Bolton: Well, the National Security Advisor is responsible for coordinating discussions among various departments and agencies that form part of the President’s responsibility for national security to help the President provide him with decisions, given the options he can offer, and information that everyone needs to make a decision. Then, after he made the decision, to coordinate the implementation of individual bureaucracies – the State Council, the Ministry of Defense, the Intelligence Community, the Ministry of Homeland Security, the Ministry of Finance and the Continuous implementation.

The Secretary of State is accused of being the chief diplomat of the United States, owning a 75,000-person department around the world, and being responsible for consulars around the world and truly trying to achieve the country's foreign policy goals through diplomacy.

Martin: My memories from the White House correspondent are that the national security adviser is very close to the president. He or she introduces the president every day, and the Secretary of State is often on the road. So, on this basis alone, what do you think of this decision? Why do you think they did it?

Bolton: I think Trump has long doubted the staff of the National Security Council. Its elements, he believes, represent the deep state and try to subvert his presidency. Therefore, he is likely to think minimizing the role of NSC staff is a plus for him. He was wrong about this. In fact, he actually reduces his control by combining these two characters. But this undoubtedly put Marco Rubio in a very good position. Over the weekend, Trump said he not only looked at his vice president JD Vance, but also considered Marco Rubio as a potential successor. So, from Rubio’s perspective, it’s a real opportunity.

Martin: You think, in fact, it's not as good for President Trump as he might think. Say more about this.

Bolton: Kissinger eventually led Gerald Ford to split the post again and made National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, the Defense Department and other agencies feel that Kissinger is biased towards presidential decision-making and his support. This is one of the reasons why national security consultants are often called honest brokers, that is, there is dispute between departments based on institutional differences, their functional differences, and the NSC employee process is designed to mitigate.

Furthermore, I think the whole idea that the Secretary of State (almost one person) should be made up of the president, and I think the president will reduce the president's capacity through the bureaucracy to maintain control over the State Department and to maintain control over other agencies. All of these jobs are more than just full-time. When you reduce one aspect of one of these jobs, you tilt the system in a way that is ultimately unfavorable to the president, even though he may not look that way, it may also be unfavorable to the country.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio addressed a cabinet meeting at the White House in Washington on Wednesday, April 30, as Donald Trump watched.

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Martin: Therefore, I would also like to mention that Marco Rubio is also overseeing the remaining content of the United States Agency for International Development and the National Archives, although it is obvious that the President has not taken the work of United Nations Agency for International Development seriously. You mentioned that the National Security Advisor is an honest broker. I wonder if President Trump doesn’t want an honest agent.

Bolton: Well, he hopes everything is centered on him. Obviously, the president finally made a decision. The question is whether he made an informed decision or was surrounded by a group of women who were men and yes, when he said, “Let’s open Alcatraz again, it’s a good idea,” they all said, “Yes, sir, sir.” They didn’t say, “Well, that’s the consideration you might want to consider. It’s the pros and cons.”

The president will decide one way or another. If that's what he wants to do, his decision will prevail, but he can make instant decisions, which is typical of Trump's style, or he can make informed decisions. I think downplaying the role of national security adviser will lead to more loyalty for Trump’s staff, but fewer decisions about knowledge.

Martin: Now, all this happens because President Trump places Michael Waltz as national security adviser. He nominated him as the ambassador of the United Nations. That's the post you used to be. Given all the circumstances behind this, do you think the president is sending Mike Waltz to the United Nations?

Bolton: I think he is exiling him to New York. Different presidents have different styles, and they listen to different roles on different issues. It's hard to characterize. But there is no doubt that Waltz does his job in New York, and he is not talking to the president in Washington. You can give (him) the UN ambassador cabinet grade – there is really no difference – just occasionally appearing on the table. I did it the other way: the United Nations ambassador, and later the National Security Advisor. And I think this is more normal than what we see now.

Julie Depenbrock made a broadcast version of the story.